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Amalthia ([personal profile] amalthia) wrote2005-11-09 05:06 pm
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Doing some thinking

Today I read a very interesting post Fandom and Male Privilege and it made me do some thinking, because for the most part I just accept things the way they are and sure I'm outspoken and don't keep my opinions to myself, but I did get married recently and I did end up taking my husband's last name. Though if I had known at the time how much paperwork was involved with changing your name I would have stuck with my maiden name.

but the point is I do have friends that married and kept their maiden names and I didn't give it a second thought to change my name to my husband's. I just wonder what that says about me? I like to them I'm a feminist, but sometimes I feel like a fake feminist because I just do the things I want to do and I only notice "oppression" when something stands in my way. Like having a "possibly" harder time finding a job because I'm married and don't have kids yet. (really I've heard rumors that some companies don't like to higher women who may have kids) Anyway maybe I'm just using that as an excuse for why I'm having a tougher time finding a job when the reality is there is a good chance my resume really sucks and my college degree is next to worthless.

the thing is I don't think my husband would have minded me keeping my maiden name, I just thought it was kind of romantic to take his last name and a sign of my commitment to him and that because we have the same last names legally, we're really a family. Though I guess that sounds kind of silly saying it like that because I know you can be family even if you don't share the same last name. Basically, I didn't give it any thought until after the fact, so now I feel like I'm contributing to the oppression of women by following the dictates of this male dominated society.

I think I might be overthinking this.

[identity profile] eumenides1.livejournal.com 2005-11-09 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm a feminist, have been since I burned my training bra in 1975, and when I got married, I kept my maiden name for a while, as my teaching licenses were in that name and it was just easier. Once we had kids, I switched to the married name because frankly, I thought it was important that our family have one name for them.

If you changed your name because you want to, for reasons of your own, whatever they are, you're not contributing to the oppression of women. You're making a choice, which is what it's all about.

[identity profile] eumenides1.livejournal.com 2005-11-10 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
You're right to be worried, I'm afraid.

[identity profile] inyron.livejournal.com 2005-11-10 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
Don't worry, no reasonable person would feel you're contributing the the opression of women. :)

The problem with last names, I think, comes up when women choose to keep their last name, and that choice isn't respected. Or when they feel they want to keep their name, but don't because of societal and other pressures.

It's all about the freedom and choice to do what you want with your name, and as long as you're doing that, you're fine. It's just like my BFF, who's planning on being a housewife; good for her, and it has no effect on my career plans.

[identity profile] inyron.livejournal.com 2005-11-10 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
Well, see, if a woman wants to be more feminine, stay home, wear more man-pleasing clothing, giggle and talk up a man's ego, ect, it's no skin off my nose. What pisses me off is when 1)women act that way because they feel "it's the only way to snag a man," or 2)women act that way while putting down feminists and progressives. I've seen too many women go all "I would never change my name, I'm not a feminist or anything, ick."

But in the two latter examples, we're talking about our effect on society, or society's effect on us; it goes beyond personal choice to reate an unhealthy or hostile environment.

But simply becoming a housewife? Wearing heels you hate because guys like them? Taking your spouse's last name? Personal choices you should make, because they don't affect anyone but you.

[identity profile] inyron.livejournal.com 2005-11-10 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
"But why should we change? They're the ones who suck!"

Honestly, I don't even have a problem with the hootchie wear. I know the real-life result can be the loss of respect, but the guy would still be the one in the wrong for that.

Sometimes I think women are more anti-feminist than men.

Oh gosh yes. Some women, who get threatened easily.

[identity profile] karamarie-mckay.livejournal.com 2005-11-10 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
When I got married, I took my husband's name for no better reason than that it was no better or worse than the one I was given at birth. I never wanted to adopt someone else's name, but I didn't want to be saddled with my maiden name forever, either. My birth family is more than a bit dysfunctional, and I really didn't want my father's name. My mother's maiden name wasn't (and still isn't) any more appealing. I do not feel that I'm a part of my husband's family, and I do not identify with the last name I've had for the past eight years. To this day, when I hear "Mrs. P" I find myself looking around for Rick's ma. I still sometimes sign papers with my maiden name if I'm not thinking.

Eventually I'd like to change my entire name to a variation on my screen name. It's not a feminist thing, but a "me" thing; I'm my own person, not "Khar, daughter of Andy and Cecilia" or "Khar, daughter-in-law of Rick and Donna." At this point most of the people in my life call me Khar or Khara both on and offline, so it's not a huge jump.

Kharessa

[identity profile] azarsuerte.livejournal.com 2005-11-10 09:06 am (UTC)(link)
I think if it's your choice and not something you're doing because you feel pressured to by society, then changing/not changing your name is a non-issue. :-)

I may or may not change my name when I get married; my last name is Jekel (pronounced Jekyll), and the older I get the more I enjoy the literary allusion that goes along with it instead of being annoyed with it, so who knows? All I do know is that if I marry a man named Hyde, I'm hyphenating. And quite possibly getting a doctorate, just to capitalize on the pun. ;-)

[identity profile] azarsuerte.livejournal.com 2005-11-10 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
*grin* Well, I used to have an acquaintance when I was doing background work whose name was Frankenstein, so who knows? ;-) You should've seen the funny looks we'd get from people when we'd greet each other. *VBEG*

And yeah, people have trouble spelling my name too--not because it's so difficult, but because there are so many preconceptions of how it should be spelled. *grin* We get Jeckel, Jekyll, Jaeckel (as in Richard, the actor), Jekyll, Jeckle (as in Heckle and)...you get the idea. *g*

Fandom and Male Privilege

(Anonymous) 2005-11-12 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
I´m not a LiveJournal user, I came in through the Angst archive, but I would really like to comment on this, not sure about live journal etiqette when it comes to lurkers like me.
I´m very impressed with the essey Fandom and Male Privilege, thank you for pointing it out to us out here. The author says everything I ever wanted to say on the subject.
About the name, I agree that as long as women know that they have a choice their decission is their own. You can be a feminist and take your husbands name, just like you can be a stay at home mom and be a feminist, it is all about having choices.
I won´t be taking my husbands name, but then I´m Icelandic and it would be really silly since 99,99% of us don´t have surnames but patronimics. There is just no way around it, I´m nobody´s son.
I used to think it was awfully romantic to get married and take your husbands last name, and it can be, it comes down to... choices. The last thing we need is women feeling quilty about taking their husbands last name or staying at home with their children if they can, that´s so not what feminisim is all about.
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